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10 Sep 2017
00:00azakiso maybe their theming properties also have some early mistakes, who knows
00:00azakii didn't look into it much
00:03Timvdeazaki: I don't care about the literal properties, but about what's possible
00:04TimvdeWhen I say parity, I don't mean "Implement all functionality in literally the same way" but "allow for at least the same amount of customization"
00:13weirdoThey are turning off the async tab switcher until after Firefox 57 is released. :(
00:15Caspy7weirdo: are you talking about the tab warming?
00:15weirdoExactly.
00:17Timvdeweirdo: Because of the video issue, or something else?
00:17Caspy7technically it's not really an async thing
00:18Caspy7just getting ready before you switch
00:18Caspy7Timvde: yes and pages think they're being viewed and so they start to respond accordingly
00:18Caspy7like apps and stuff
00:18Caspy7we need to warm pages without making them think they're visible
00:19Caspy7so they've got to rework it
00:19TimvdeI wonder if other browsers do that too
00:19weirdoYeah, Mike Conley disabled it because of the video issue.
00:20weirdoI suppose the warming could possibly run on another thread.
00:21weirdoHence the "async".
01:03hook54321bIs there a way to download and save a Firefox theme locally?
01:06kode54if you could, you wouldn't be able to use it anyway
01:08hook54321bwhy?
01:08weirdoWhy to you want to save a theme locally?
01:09hook54321bI'm wondering if something scraped addons.mozilla.org if it would grab the themes as well.
01:12weirdoLook in the extensions folder, that is in the profile folder. It doesn't apply to built-in themes.
01:14azakihook54321: are you trying to use an existing theme as a starting point for another or something?
01:14hook54321bno
01:15hook54321bI simply want to know if something scraped addons.mozilla.org if it would grab the themes as well.
01:17kode54he wants to be able to keep a theme
01:17kode54even if someone deletes it from addons.mozilla.org
01:17azakiisn't it saved to your profile or something? =o
01:18kode54yes, but if you ever have to reconfigure another instance, and the theme is gone, it's just gone
01:21hook54321bAnd I don't want to have to download every single theme manually just to have a copy of it.
01:23kode54there are literally thousands of them
01:23kode54most of them shovelware
01:27weirdoThemes are cheap to download.
01:35hook54321bHow many thousands?
01:38hook54321b430413 apparently. Not too many.
02:32hook54321bSo, if something scraped addons.mozilla.org, would it grab the themes as well?
04:26solenodicis there no way to reload userChrome.css at runtime in nightly?
04:27solenodicthe stylish legacy extension is completely broken in nightly
04:28solenodicwait, think I just found a way
04:29solenodicfor anyone wondering https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Browser_Toolbox
04:58Jan\\some sites display bars of color instead of the video?
06:14Mardeghow rude of them
06:15Jan\\the video shows up 1second then the filled colors appear
06:15hook54321bWhat's considered "well after asking"?
06:18hook54321bIs there some sort of file that themes use that they can be downloaded and saved as?
06:29sysKino/
06:29sysKinwho thought &quot;highlights&quot; was a good idea? >_<
06:30sysKinat least I can immediatley switch it off, but that is not my point :)
06:54mib_xoheahhi
06:54mib_xoheahwhy firefox is free
06:56TimvdeBecause Mozilla wants the whole world to enjoy it ;)
07:17est31because browsers are such a gigantic market that the constant cost of developing a browser can be covered by a few dollars per user/year, which can be obtained through a search engine contract
07:20user_hi, how can I make firefox remember file associations across restarts?
07:21user_I don&#39;t want to keep opening pdf&#39;s in libreoffice...
07:25est31user_: which os?
07:26user_arch linux
07:26est31kde or gnome?
07:26user_neither
07:26est31what then?
07:26user_i3
07:26est31ok
07:26est31firefox uses gtk callbacks
07:27est31and the gtk callbacks abide by the freedesktop spec
07:27est31which means... you can edit config files
07:27est31lemme check
07:27est31application/pdf=okularApplication_pdf.desktop;
07:28est31put that into ~/.config/mimeapps.list
07:28user_i dont use okular, but xdg already opens it with my pdf reader
07:28est31you can test what the default is by invoking gnome-open /path/to/pdf on the shell
07:28user_I don&#39;t have `gnome-open`
07:28est31install it then :)
07:28est31it should have no deps beyond a library
07:29user_xdg-open already opens pdf&#39;s with my pdf reader
07:29est31ktraderclient --mimetype application/pdf
07:29est31does that show you something?
07:29user_don&#39;t have ktraderclient
07:29est31okay...
07:30est31the thing is, xdg-open does some special tricks
07:30est31like invoking ktraderclient on kde
07:30est31maybe it does some special tricks for your environment as well
07:30est31no idea
07:31hook54321bWill an extension like LibreJS be possible with the new extension api?
07:31est31but you cant really use it to check what an implementation that conforms to the xdg default application spec does
07:31est31user_: I&#39;m personally annoyed by this bug myself, interesting to see that it also happens with i3
07:31* est31 kde user
07:31hook54321buser_: Do you have Discord?
07:32user_no
07:32hook54321bah drat.
07:32hook54321bI was gonna recommend asking in the ArchLinux discord.
07:32est31there is also a channel on freenode
07:32user_i asked there, but nobody knows
07:32est31user_: but generally, try whether you can reproduce using gnome-open
07:32est31and then strace it
07:32est31look into which files gnome-open looks
07:33est31then edit those :)
07:33user_I can get it to open in zathura if I select &quot;Other...&quot; when I get the download dialog and I right-click &quot;Forget association&quot; on LibreOffice https://a.uguu.se/V5VCNVZ5SP1a.png
07:33est31thats nice... you got a gtk3 build of firefox
07:33user_but if have to re-do that every time i restart firefox
07:33est31my firefox shows an application chooser lol
07:33est31file choser*
07:33user_I*
07:34user_if I don&#39;t use firejail, it remembers the association
07:34est31oh you are a firejail user
07:34user_firejail only allows access to certain files
07:34est31riiight that might explain it
07:34user_but i have whitelisted the .mozilla/firefox folder
07:35est31you might have to give it access to more files
07:35user_in which file does firefox store file associations?
07:35est31at least read access
07:35est31theoretically it should be the profile... but not sure
07:35est31is there some way to get firejail tell you about attempted violations?
07:36est31then you could look
07:36user_not sure
07:36user_i&#39;ll look
07:36est31you could try to whitelist your ~/.config/ directory
07:36est31it should be some mimeapps.list or defaults.list file
07:36est31but the xdg spec allows the preferences to be stored in a bunch of places
07:37user_mimeapps.list is in ~/.local/share/applications/ on arch linux
07:37est31then whitelist that
07:38user_yay, it works
07:38est31:)
07:39user_opening a 1215 page pdf in libreoffice isn&#39;t fun
07:39est31definitely
07:39est31it asks me personally to open stuff in gimp
07:40hook54321b!con ad0lb7tm4i7pgivktrwulhsh0 2
07:40hook54321boops
07:40hook54321buhm ignore that
07:40user_after libreoffice, gimp was the next &quot;logical&quot; choice to open pdf&#39;s
07:40user_my pdf reader was last at #3
07:40hook54321bWhy would you open PDFs in GIMP?
07:41est31apparently gimp can open them
07:41user_maybe to edit them?
07:41est31so it gets put into the common mime type database
07:41est31but there is a second database of default applications
07:42est31and if you can read the mime type db, but not the default app db, this is the result :)
07:42user_atleast it doesn&#39;t try to open it with wine
07:42user_i&#39;ve had .txt documents open with wine Notepad.exe
07:42est31oh yes, that&#39;s another contender
07:45hook54321bWouldn&#39;t you just be painting over them in GIMP?
08:04yp44Hello, I&#39;m trying to connect on a web application (MS CRM) which ask for authentication. The login/password popup is prompted, but whatever I put I&#39;m not connected and the popup is raised again. With crome it work but I do want to use firefox. What should I check ? I have enabled NTLM authent for this site (I can connect wih ntlm with java libraries). thanx.
08:05Timvdeyp44: Anything interesting in the console?
08:06TimvdeMight help if you can share the exact link (if it&#39;s not private) so we can have a look
08:08TimvdeMultiprocess Windows 0/2 (Disabled)
08:08Timvde^ That so explains why my Firefox beta is laggy
08:08TimvdeIt doesn&#39;t even say why, though :/
08:09yp44I have found. I have activated network.auth.force-generic-ntlm and network.auth.force-generic-ntlm-v1;true :)
08:10Timvdeyp44: Thanks for letting us know, might help if someone comes in with the same question :)
08:10yp44Thank you Timvde
08:13DuClareTimvde: about:config e10s
08:14TimvdeDuClare: I already forced it on by now
08:14TimvdeI was just surprised to find it disabled, since afaik I only have MPC add-ons
08:14TimvdeNote that I&#39;m riding the release train of 56
09:25user_est31: thanks for you help by the way.
09:25user_your*
09:34est31np
10:28grahamperrin-MSecurity/privacy. If a page such as `about:addons` becomes contained, and if it can not be de-contained (to &#39;default&#39;), then might private information somehow leak (or be taken) from the container, to some other page that is non-contained?
10:29Timvdegrahamperrin-M: Define &quot;contained&quot;?
10:29TimvdeIn Firefox 57, add-ons won&#39;t be able to touch it
10:39grahamperrin-MTimvde: https://github.com/kesselborn/taborama/issues/36#issuecomment-328331849 for example, I&#39;m manually entering `about:addons` in a tab where the previous page could not be de-contained.
11:06olspookishmagushello, I&#39;m using cups-pdf and whenever I print from firefox to it, it seems that I lose all the text information, like it&#39;s printing images. Would you say this is a cups-pdf issue of a firefox issue?
11:06grahamperrin-Molspookishmagus: does print preview appear OK?
11:11est31olspookishmagus: if you print from other programs with cups-pdf, does it show any text?
11:12olspookishmagusest31: good point, let me check
11:14olspookishmagusest31: seems, so I printed a LibreOffice document with it and I can search Ok within even in my language (Greek)
11:20grahamperrin-MI forget, to where on disk is the PDF written?
11:29olspookishmagus$ grep ^Out /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf
11:29olspookishmagusOut ${HOME}/Desktop
11:29olspookishmagus^ grahamperrin-M
11:32oneforall2ff 55.0.3 -contentproc id sure eating up mem . though it would be the plugin container again
11:33oneforall2or is that what the container is called now
11:55auscompgeekoneforall2: the e10s content processes used to live in plugin-container, they don&#39;t any more
12:01oneforall2e10 ?
12:33Caspy7electrolysis, aka, multiprocess
12:34grahamperrin-Molspookishmagus: thanks. Result:
12:34* grahamperrin-M sent a long message: grahamperrin-M_2017-09-10_12:34:54.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/gHzXuPCtIBtVARViPFBKoEfx>
12:35grahamperrin-M but I found the outputs at the default path for my username, `/var/spool/cups-pdf/grahamperrin/`
16:50hoplandSooo... my return to the fox is going... somewhat well. Still waiting for WebRenderer and Stylo to hit... but yeah; patience, young patawan
16:50hoplandSTILL! There&#39;s one thing I&#39;m missing from Chrome, something which makes the awesome bar less awesome. Is there an extension (5.7+ ready) that allows me to use search engines when I enter the domain and click Tab?
16:50Caspy7hopland: Stylo is planned to ship with 57.
16:51Caspy7Webrender won&#39;t make it till 58 or 59
16:51hoplandCaspy7: Yeah, so I won&#39;t advertise it untill then :P But I still intend to use stable from here on out
16:52hoplandStill missing that search function in the URL bar, where you just type google.com or youtube.com or soundcloud.com and hit tab, to search on those sites instantly through the URL bar...
16:55Caspy7hopland: if it existed it would be an addon, but I don&#39;t know of one
16:56hoplandCaspy7: seems it might not be possible, since Chrome uses the OpenSearch thing - and it&#39;s a subject of privacy concerns
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18:23TazmainHi all, I have an account setup. but I can no longer sync my tabs since firefox 55
18:23Tazmainon windows 10
18:30Caspy7Tazmain: thoughts are to sign out and sign back in and you can also try #sync channel - though it is Sunday in the US, so during the week might be more active (probably)
18:44grahamperrin-Mhopland: the closest I can think of is <https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/search-site-we/>
18:45grahamperrin-MSearch Site WE (version 2.0 appeared in AMO a few hours ago).
18:46grahamperrin-MTazmain: is anything recent at `about:sync-log`?
18:53Tazmainabout:sync-tabs doesn&#39;t even work
18:54Tazmaingrahamperrin-M, yeah just errors
18:54Tazmainlatest log https://bpaste.net/show/51e46b7dd5f3
19:03Tazmainwell now sync tabs works, I had to disconnect and sign in again. odd since I was singed in, and it showed everything in my manage account
19:46Caspy7hopland: it should be noted that hitting tab in the location bar already has a predefined / expected behavior. So it would be unlikely that that would get replaced
20:19ali1234Caspy7: for me hitting tab takes me to the search box, so that wold be unchanged if you didn&#39;t enter a domain
20:24DuClareIf you&#39;ve entered something, tab scrolls through the results
20:24DuClareOr whatever they&#39;re called
20:55Caspy7ali1234: ^
20:56Caspy7I&#39;m not saying there couldn&#39;t be another UX for the proposed feature, but don&#39;t expect tab to be it
21:08MardegI&#39;ve been using tab to go through the dropdown for a decade, wouldn&#39;t like that to go away
21:15DuClareMeanwhile I&#39;ve been using tab to focus the search box for a decade, and someone broke it
21:15DuClare... but I got it fixed :)
22:15KomicHi there. I&#39;m trying to troubleshoot a weird intermittent problem with a specific site over https, no error code except the failed to establish secure connection one
22:15Komicwould this be the right place and/or is there better ressources around?~
22:17Komic(that site happens to be the only one I use with the new contextual tabs thingy so I&#39;d like to be as precise as possible if I end up submitting a bug)
22:20araihow often does it happen?
22:23Komicevery hour or so?
22:23Komicfor five minutes
22:23Komicthen nothing for another hour, etc
22:24Komicsometimes both profiles will fail, sometimes only one of them
22:24araido you mean that it happens on every load for that five minutes?
22:24Komicnope, it fails every hour or so
22:25Komicuh, brainfart, sorry arai
22:25Komicyeah
22:25Komicafter five minutes suddently my f5 just works
22:26araiis the website publicly available?
22:26Komicit is, hosted behind cloudflare though so I&#39;m not sure if the server side stuff is relevant
22:27Komicwell, except if cloudflare screwed up
22:27araiI&#39;m wondering if it&#39;s something related to server&#39;s round robin
22:28Komichm, good thinking actually
22:29KomicI&#39;ll try adding the URL to my hosts file to force a specific IP
22:29araimight be nice to check the server&#39;s IP address
22:29araioh
22:29KomicI don&#39;t have access to the site&#39;s IP, hopefully I can just force a CF one?
22:29araiyou can check the IP address in network monitor
22:30araihttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Network_Monitor
22:30araiafter selecting the request, there&#39;s &quot;Remote address&quot; field
22:30KomicI use Flagfox, even quicker :)
22:32Komicalright, done, now we wait~
22:38Komicupdate, arai, another user has the problem and they never used the contextual tabs, so there goes my theory
22:39Komicis there a way to increase the verbosity of the error page if I get it again?
22:40arainot sure about error page tho, there&#39;s logging feature https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Debugging/HTTP_logging
22:40arainsSocketTransport and nsHostResolver there might help
22:40Komicneat, thanks
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