mozilla :: #b2g

9 Oct 2017
05:50telegramBot<erotavlas> @KaiRo_at [and when I say &quot;Blink is the new IE&quot; I&#39;m talking IE4/5 times when they were stil ], I quote you again. However since Firefox 57 the situation will change with comparable performance between gecko/servo and blink. With full integration of servo technologies Firefox will be again the state of the art browser. So ne
05:50telegramBotw real alternative to blink monopoly
06:53telegramBot<Fabrice Desr> Gecko is not an alternative if you can&#39;t embed it and use it outside of Firefox. Hopefully Servo will be better there
07:07telegramBot<erotavlas> @Fabrice Desr [Gecko is not an alternative if you can&#39;t embed it and use it outside of Firefox. ], Why not? It is and it was used in several different softwares https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software)
09:56telegramBot<vagrantin> Blink is used by Chrome/ Chromium/Brave/Tizen and probably many others. And really all platform oriented i find it a good start to make something.
09:57telegramBot<vagrantin> Also theoretically if we use only web standard we should be able to swap the web engine without impacting the applications
09:58telegramBot<vagrantin> This can be part of the design making sure we can swap the rendering engine whenever we want
09:59telegramBot<vagrantin> So we can have a blink flavour and a servo flavour when it&#39;s ready to render the web properly
14:49telegramBot<Fabrice Desr> @erotavlas [Why not? It is and it was used in several different softwares https://en.wikiped ], None of these projects are relevant today, especially in mobile unfortunately
15:21telegramBot<erotavlas> @Fabrice Desr [None of these projects are relevant today, especially in mobile unfortunately], This is true while your previous statement is false &quot;Gecko is not an alternative if you can&#39;t embed it and use it outside of Firefox. Hopefully Servo will be better there&quot;
15:26telegramBot<JBBgameich> Servo can already be started outside Firefox, so I guess it&#39;s what we would need, just as a finished perfectly working Version
15:38telegramBot<Fabrice Desr> Yes Servo would be ideal, if it was not a few years away from being usable
15:52vmxi don&#39;t see the browser engine as the main blocker. for me the first steps are getting something working that could then run in a vanilla browser
15:52vmxas this might take years, it could then in the end be servo
15:52vmx*in the end servo might be used
20:11telegramBot<KaiRo_at> it looks to me like this group is only here for lamenting what&#39;s not possible or what we don&#39;t have.
20:14gerard-majaxeasy: back Librem 5 phone ; once it&#39;s out, let&#39;s make a serious OS based on that phone, without having to worry about the low-level stack of AOSP and its integration with Gecko
20:14gerard-majaxworst case, it fails, once again
20:15telegramBot<KaiRo_at> their target is a phone for the paranoid, that doesn&#39;t really fit me
20:15telegramBot<KaiRo_at> I don&#39;t put a big stash of money in for a project where I have no clue if it every may even somewhat fulfill what I really want
20:16gerard-majaxwhat we need is a device that can run without an AOSP BSP
20:16gerard-majaxI guess that this project fits that part pretty well
20:16gerard-majaxit&#39;s expensive, I agree, but I&#39;m not surprised of that, though
20:16gerard-majaxremember the pricing of the Flame?
20:17telegramBot<KaiRo_at> well, right now I only want a modern phone with a modern version of what FirefoxOS would have been if it had been continued
20:17gerard-majaxand yet the Flame was close to a lot of phones, so probably not too much of a specific design
20:17gerard-majaxbut just the low volumes made it expensive for what it was, compared to other devices
20:18telegramBot<KaiRo_at> but I know I won&#39;t get that. So I&#39;m really thinking hard about going to mainline Android on a phone from the next shop, because everyone working on alternatives fails and I have enough from living on dying islands that nobody can communicate with
20:19telegramBot<KaiRo_at> at least I&#39;d be able to run a modern Gecko there via FxA
20:22telegramBot<KaiRo_at> and it&#39;s apparent by now that nobody in here is able to get us to anything even good for hacking on in terms of a boot-to-web device
20:23gerard-majaxwell, some tried, and have been alone doing that for too long, so they stopped.
20:24telegramBot<Fabrice Desr> I&#39;ll do a serious effort if the librem 5 is backed.
20:28telegramBot<KaiRo_at> @Fabrice Desr [I&#39;ll do a serious effort if the librem 5 is backed.], Then you can start right now, https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ says they are over 100%
20:29telegramBot<Fabrice Desr> Great
20:29telegramBot<KaiRo_at> That said, I will only pay money for a phone right now if I know I can use it at least for hacking when it comes to web apps and those run on a non-Blink free software browser engine
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